> A boss had told one of them, responsible for hiring, that they had to be careful about hiring African Americans because they were so hard to fire.
(..)
> What made this conversation, so bizarre was that both of them had loudly railed against affirmative action.
Um, it is Affirmative Action that's causing the very problem you claim we need Affirmative Action to solve. Perhaps logic really isn't your strong suite.
No, this was specifically about black people explicitly being far more active in preventing their own firing, allegedly. So the question is why blacks are less accepting of being fired?
Because they have every reason to believe racism and discrimination played a role. We know this is real as countless studies I linked to showed.
Also affirmative action was supposed to give blacks a preference in hiring. Clearly it has failed to do so. Blacks are still heavily discriminated against in hiring.
Affirmative action isn’t legal to my knowledge in any US state, so I don’t really know what the basis of your argument is. In so far as it exists it is on the initiative of individual companies.
> No, this was specifically about black people explicitly being far more active in preventing their own firing, allegedly. So the question is why blacks are less accepting of being fired?
No one likes being fired. Blacks can use affirmative action and related laws to challenge being fired.
> Also affirmative action was supposed to give blacks a preference in hiring.
Do you mean compared to their ability, or compared to their proportion of the general population?
> Affirmative action isn’t legal to my knowledge in any US state
Affirmative action and related concepts like disparate impact are still active federal law. However, thanks for admitting you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
> Our pushback is against the idea that these differences are caused by genetics rather than environmental factors, such as having been given fewer opportunities to succeed in life or growing up impoverished or disadvantaged in other ways.
And yet somehow, this didn't happen with Jews or East Asians.
That can be explained, but I have found people pushing this tired old argument are rarely if ever willing to stick around and explanation that undermines their prejudice.
The environment, racism and prejudice faced by different ethnic groups has never been the same. Thus their outcomes cannot be the same either. Nor is their culture the same. Culture has a huge effect on outcomes. The nature of discrimination matters in how it shapes culture.
Discrimination agains Jews meant they could not own land and be farmers. Thus they became craftsmen instead in the city or more academic professions. There was no ban against read or writing for Jews. Being city people rather than rural helped Jews develop an intellectual culture. Thus ironically their discrimination actually caused the creation of a superior culture.
Try the same analysis to understand how African Americans got treated. Was discrimination such that blacks got forced to have complex professions in the city? No, they were beaten if they even tried to read and write. They were taught no real skills. Only valued for their strength by slave owners. The abuses of slavery completely ruined black culture in a way persecution of Jews never did.
I will not cover Asians as you can read about all this in articles I have written and in e.g. Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell.
Bottom line is that culture and nature of discrimination matters. Details matter. The biological explanation are for lazy people not willing to learn history and understand intricacies of history. Educate yourself!
> Discrimination agains Jews meant they could not own land and be farmers. Thus they became craftsmen instead in the city or more academic professions.
That was in Europe and centuries ago. Why would that be relevant to today? Unless that is said discrimination lead to natural selection on the genes for intelligence.
Now you are confusing two very different things. Many on the American left had gotten into their head that Trump was coordinating and working explicitly with Putin. That was never proven and also something I kept saying I didn’t believe was the case.
However what had been proven well beyond doubt is that Putin got actively engaged in the US election to help Trump win. He used his bot farms, used the KGB practice of kompromat against Democrats etc.
And Trump has been a Kremlin asset since the 80s. That doesn’t mean somebody directly taking orders from them but somebody they regard as turned and working for their interests. They wouldn’t actively help Trump through decades if they didn’t see benefits from it. They lent him billions when no other Western bank would do it.
> A boss had told one of them, responsible for hiring, that they had to be careful about hiring African Americans because they were so hard to fire.
(..)
> What made this conversation, so bizarre was that both of them had loudly railed against affirmative action.
Um, it is Affirmative Action that's causing the very problem you claim we need Affirmative Action to solve. Perhaps logic really isn't your strong suite.
No, this was specifically about black people explicitly being far more active in preventing their own firing, allegedly. So the question is why blacks are less accepting of being fired?
Because they have every reason to believe racism and discrimination played a role. We know this is real as countless studies I linked to showed.
Also affirmative action was supposed to give blacks a preference in hiring. Clearly it has failed to do so. Blacks are still heavily discriminated against in hiring.
Affirmative action isn’t legal to my knowledge in any US state, so I don’t really know what the basis of your argument is. In so far as it exists it is on the initiative of individual companies.
> No, this was specifically about black people explicitly being far more active in preventing their own firing, allegedly. So the question is why blacks are less accepting of being fired?
No one likes being fired. Blacks can use affirmative action and related laws to challenge being fired.
> Also affirmative action was supposed to give blacks a preference in hiring.
Do you mean compared to their ability, or compared to their proportion of the general population?
> Affirmative action isn’t legal to my knowledge in any US state
Affirmative action and related concepts like disparate impact are still active federal law. However, thanks for admitting you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
> Our pushback is against the idea that these differences are caused by genetics rather than environmental factors, such as having been given fewer opportunities to succeed in life or growing up impoverished or disadvantaged in other ways.
And yet somehow, this didn't happen with Jews or East Asians.
That can be explained, but I have found people pushing this tired old argument are rarely if ever willing to stick around and explanation that undermines their prejudice.
The environment, racism and prejudice faced by different ethnic groups has never been the same. Thus their outcomes cannot be the same either. Nor is their culture the same. Culture has a huge effect on outcomes. The nature of discrimination matters in how it shapes culture.
Discrimination agains Jews meant they could not own land and be farmers. Thus they became craftsmen instead in the city or more academic professions. There was no ban against read or writing for Jews. Being city people rather than rural helped Jews develop an intellectual culture. Thus ironically their discrimination actually caused the creation of a superior culture.
Try the same analysis to understand how African Americans got treated. Was discrimination such that blacks got forced to have complex professions in the city? No, they were beaten if they even tried to read and write. They were taught no real skills. Only valued for their strength by slave owners. The abuses of slavery completely ruined black culture in a way persecution of Jews never did.
I will not cover Asians as you can read about all this in articles I have written and in e.g. Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell.
Bottom line is that culture and nature of discrimination matters. Details matter. The biological explanation are for lazy people not willing to learn history and understand intricacies of history. Educate yourself!
> Discrimination agains Jews meant they could not own land and be farmers. Thus they became craftsmen instead in the city or more academic professions.
That was in Europe and centuries ago. Why would that be relevant to today? Unless that is said discrimination lead to natural selection on the genes for intelligence.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16867211/
> A variant of this was used by Putin to help Donald Trump win the American elections
Wow, someone still takes the discredited Russiagate nonsense seriously.
Now you are confusing two very different things. Many on the American left had gotten into their head that Trump was coordinating and working explicitly with Putin. That was never proven and also something I kept saying I didn’t believe was the case.
However what had been proven well beyond doubt is that Putin got actively engaged in the US election to help Trump win. He used his bot farms, used the KGB practice of kompromat against Democrats etc.
And Trump has been a Kremlin asset since the 80s. That doesn’t mean somebody directly taking orders from them but somebody they regard as turned and working for their interests. They wouldn’t actively help Trump through decades if they didn’t see benefits from it. They lent him billions when no other Western bank would do it.
> And Trump has been a Kremlin asset since the 80s.
Retarded nonsense that you are making up
But it's true, blacks and whites usually have bigger dicks than asians
Oh God, this is the first and only comment I get? This writing thing isn’t going my way 😂
Sorry,This is also my first comment, Most countries in Asia are nation states, I wonder how you feel about nationalism and racism？
What is the relevance of Asia in this discussion? Most of the world is made up of nation states. I have written about nationalism and racism in the past, but not here on substack. You can read my views here: https://erik-engheim.medium.com/does-positive-nationalism-exist-18c17e5a506e